For the older artist disenchantment is a frequent companion and part of a hard-won critical edge and pleasures are to be savoured with confidence. The tension exerted by these opposites is maintained by the mature artist as an underlying challenge. It is exciting to arrive at what is a sense of confidence; for some it comes much earlier than for others. It gradually evolves. You have to live with an optimistic tomorrowness. To be an artist is to have a sense of anticipation for what you are about to make. Bob White in conversation with Lutz Becker.